With the proviso that "if I dare to say about "winner or loser,"" the journalist writes like this. The same goes for social activities, no matter how much right a thing you are working on, "if it looks painful", that is, if you are not enjoying it, you cannot have empathy. Of course, the more diverse the contents of "being interesting" is, the better. From "Slow Life."
"June 1 2019
from “Oriori no Kotoba” by Kiyokazu Washida, The Asahi Shimbun"